2009-05-06-emea-ambassadors.log

* spevack looks around21:57
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AndreasRlooks back21:58
spevackhi andi!21:59
AndreasRhi max.. I made it21:59
ChitleshGoorahhi21:59
AndreasRhey.. chitlesh21:59
spevackok... let's get started w/ the EMEA ambassadors meeting22:00
spevackwho else is around?22:00
heffer.fasinfo heffer22:00
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spevackhi felix22:00
hefferhi there22:00
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spevackhi red22:01
Bouskahi all :-)22:01
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* cwickert is here22:01
tickbrown"hello world!"22:01
* spevack waits another minute or so. Would everyone who is here state your full name?22:01
spevackMax Spevack22:01
* wonderer_ is also here22:01
cwickertChristoph Wickert22:01
red_alertSandro Mathys22:01
wonderer_henrik heigl22:01
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liknusPierros Papadeas22:02
hefferFelix Kaechele22:02
ChitleshGoorahChitleshGoorah22:02
AndreasRAndreasRau22:02
spevacknice crowd.22:02
wonderer_:)22:02
spevackok, let's get started by talking about events.22:02
BouskaPabloMartin-Gomez22:02
spevackBefore we talk about what's coming up, and things like attendance, budget, and logistics22:02
spevackDoes anyone want to talk about stuff that was either good or bad at events that have already finished?22:03
spevackHas everyone who was an event owner felt like they had the things they needed?22:03
* spevack assumes silence means yes22:04
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spevackok, well i guess we can quickly run through the stuff that's upcoming, and make sure that people have what they need for that, etc.22:05
spevackNext up in our region of the world is FossComm in Greece.  liknus is the owner of that.22:05
spevackhow's it looking, pierros?22:05
liknusEverything is pretty much ready...22:06
spevackcan you tell us a bit about what is planned?22:06
liknusI ve order a giant banner of fedora22:06
liknusTommorow you will have pictures on planet22:06
liknusMany flyers and stickers are available from past events22:06
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spevackliknus: will it be possible for someone to bring that banner to FUDCon in Berlin?  either you (if you are attending), or Dimitris?22:07
liknusAlso al  the current expenses are covered by selling some t-shirts :)22:07
liknusDimitris will bring it..22:07
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spevackliknus: if there are any expenses that are not covered, let me know and I will make sure you get paid back.22:07
liknusI am in communication for that with Gerold22:07
spevackliknus: perfect22:07
liknusspevack: we will lso hold a hackfest during the event on Fedora22:08
spevackliknus: excellent!  what will be the topics, or will it depend on who shows up?22:08
liknusBeta testing, bug hunting and some translations22:08
liknusAlso some lightning talks and a workshop on FEL22:08
spevackwho are our FEL contributors in Greece?22:09
spevackChitleshGoorah probably knows....22:09
liknusCostasAntonakoglou22:09
spevackright!22:09
liknusI was also thinking about making a video eon fedora's presence on the event22:10
spevackok... what else can we do to help Fedora grow in the lovely Greek islands?22:10
spevackliknus: that's a great idea.22:10
ChitleshGoorahCostasAntonakoglou is a FEL contributor ?22:10
liknusSome interviews and the general idea of being in an event with fedora will be the concept22:10
spevackliknus: sounds like a great project.22:11
liknusChitleshGoorah: wants to be one but still messing around with it22:11
spevackliknus: i hope the event is a big success22:11
ChitleshGoorahliknus I have updated the FEL website to reflect more information about the tools and some screenshots are there too22:11
spevackliknus: anything else you would like to discuss?  Is there anything you needed for this event that you didn't get?22:11
liknusspevack: i hope so too :)22:11
liknusNo..Everything is perfect and set-up.A! a last thing22:12
ChitleshGoorahI'll mail you after the meeting to discuss more about that workshop :)22:12
liknusIll give a presentation on Fedora on the main course of the event22:12
spevackliknus: wonderful! ;)22:13
spevackok, let's move on to the next thing, which is eliberatica in Romania.  Are nicu or kanarip or kital here?22:13
liknusIs there any presentation files for F11?22:13
spevackliknus: good question.  /me checks22:13
spevackliknus: there are some resources that you can use to help make a presentation about Fedora 1122:14
spevackhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/F11_Talking_Points22:14
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liknusOk thanks spevack :)22:15
spevackhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Category:F11_in-depth_features22:15
spevackliknus: those two pages will give you all the content you need to talk about new things in F1122:15
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spevackok, well none of the eLiberatica guys are here, but I can give a brief update about that event22:15
spevackNicu has handled most of the organization -- they have all the swag and posters they need for their booth22:16
spevackkanarip is giving a presentation there, and that's about it.  So it's a good speaking opportunity, and a good chance for us to have a nice Fedora presence at an important event in Romania22:16
spevackI'm expecting that we'll see good event reports from both nicu and kanarip22:16
spevackMoving on...22:16
spevackthe next event I see is Linux days in geneva22:17
spevackBeginning of June22:17
spevackbut it has no owner.22:17
spevackAnd then nothing else in June except for LinuxTag and FUDCon22:17
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spevackand nothing in July22:17
spevackfabian_a: do you know anything about Linux Days?22:17
spevackcwickert: i have an idea for july that i want to ask you about22:18
cwickertspevack: shot22:18
spevackcwickert: how about we spend some money, and organize a Fedora Activity Day focusing on either LXDE or XFCE or both?  Do you think that is something that we could do?  Are there enough people either within Fedora or upstreams who might want to come to something like that?22:19
* MrTom notices there is no wiki page for RMLL to which Max has been invited22:19
* spevack would like to do a Fedora Activity Day of some sort.22:19
fabian_anow, i don't22:19
spevackfabian_a: ok22:19
spevackMrTom: not just invited, but I told Armel that I will be there :)22:19
cwickertspevack: I like the idea, the question is when and where22:19
spevackcwickert: yeah... I was trying to think of ideas for a FAD, and that is one that came to mind.22:20
spevackAre there any other idea?22:20
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spevackcwickert: as for when, it could be anytime in July or August.22:20
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spevackas for where, I don't care ;)22:20
cwickertbut I thik there are not many people involved in Xfce or LXDE22:20
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spevackmaybe people have other ideas for a FAD that could be useful for Fedora or for an upstream project, and that we have the right people for in Europe?22:20
cwickertspevack: LXDE will show presence at Linuxtag at Berlin22:21
spevackcwickert: hopefully you will give a talk at the BarCamp about it :)22:21
cwickertsure22:21
spevackcome on guys... no one has a single idea for a hackfest or Fedora Activity Day we can organize?22:21
spevackChitleshGoorah: what about FEL?22:22
spevackheffer: you always have ideas for projects... what are you thinking?22:23
ChitleshGoorahWell currently I can't come (no budget), thibault and aanjhan are busy with their studies22:23
cwickertat least Xfce or LXDE don't attract so much people from within Fedora I guess but more from the outside22:23
ChitleshGoorahhowever I'm willing to help anyone who is willing to replace me22:23
hefferspevack, i was thinking about a project on endorsement of fedora in educational environments :)22:23
spevackcwickert: that's ok with me, if any of those people are in Europe and want to get together.22:23
hefferbut that can well be a lifetime project :)22:23
cwickertheffer: +122:24
spevackChitleshGoorah: I'll make you a deal -- if you can find a time that you, Thibault, and Aanjhan can all get together, I will provide the budget to make it happen.22:24
spevackheffer: can you say more about what you mean?22:24
cwickertheffer: I had something similar in mind together with sdziallas22:24
hefferand with educational environments i mean secondary schools and such22:24
ChitleshGoorahspevack: for berlin ?22:25
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spevackChitleshGoorah: anywhere, anytime :)22:25
hefferi think universities have some coverage with FEL within Fedora22:25
hefferi was talking to sdziallas on that topic as well22:25
spevackChitleshGoorah: if the three of you want to have a face-to-face multi-day hackfest on FEL, I will make it happen from a budget point of view22:25
spevackheffer: you will be in Berlin, right?>22:25
hefferyes22:25
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spevackheffer: this is a good topic for you, Sebastian, and gregdek to discuss.  have you seen teachingopensource.org yet?  there is an active mailing list talking about some of these topics22:26
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spevackSo, let me ask you all a generally open-ended question.22:26
hefferi'll check that22:26
spevackAs a region, EMEA is pretty good about knowing what the big events are.22:26
spevackgetting organized for those events22:26
spevacketc.22:26
spevackwe've done it several years now22:27
spevackWhat I think about now is how we create *new* energy, and get more stuff done that benefits Fedora and upstream or other things like education22:27
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spevackand that means organizing meetings/hackfest/workshops that have specific purposes.22:27
spevackwhich is what the "Fedora Activity Day" represents.22:27
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spevackI'd really like to start to do more of that in Europe, but it's going to require having Ambassadors and other contributors come up with agendas for 1 or 2 day meetings that make sense22:28
spevackso that's an open challenge for all o fyou.  Let's do more than just go to the same events every year!22:28
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cwickertspevack: if this ia what FAD is about then I guess LXDE is indeed a good candidate. we are planing bug fix envents and we could do this together with Ffedora22:29
liknusspevack: I was thinking for a FAS just after the summer in Greece22:29
spevackcwickert: good, let's do it then.  Fedora is 100% behind you, and if you tell me how I can help you make LXDE grow, I will do whatever I can.22:30
spevackliknus: great22:30
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spevackok... it's a pretty quiet crowd tonight.  What do you all want to talk about?22:30
spevackare there any questions or comments or topics?22:31
spevackabout anything?  FUDCon?  budget?  anything?22:31
liknusYeah22:31
red_alertI guess the main problem for organizing European hackfest on a specific purpose is that we ambassadors don't know what sort of developers we have in Europe...I even was trying to figure out who's all the contributors from Switzerland but there's no easy way to do so22:31
spevackred_alert: well, in many cases Ambassadors are also developers, but I get your point/.22:31
liknusabout material and possible event box22:31
spevackbut we know where the mailing lists are, and we can reach out to those lists and irc channels and places where developers are and find them that way22:32
liknusI can see the fedora swag really attract people during events. So can we enhance it a little bit?22:32
spevackliknus: you think we should build 3 or 4 event boxes like the people have in North America?  i know we've talked about that before, but just never really done it.  I think now might be the time.22:33
spevackliknus: i think you are right.22:33
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spevackhttp://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/EventBox22:33
liknusRegional boxes in Europe could be ok22:33
spevackyep22:34
liknusAnd also organized production of swag22:34
liknusButonns, Flyers, Stickers for starters22:34
hefferever thought about using https://www.ohloh.net/p/fedora ? they have a map of contributors22:34
spevackliknus: regarding production of swag, we are working with linux-onlineshop.de for everything we need for FUDCon, and they also will make swag and ship it anywhere in Europe.22:34
spevackliknus: so i think we are 90% solved on having organized production of swag for all europe22:34
red_alertthe reason we've never created an eventbox are: 1) shipping them across borders is too expensive, 2) most things we could ship around is readily available locally22:35
spevackI think it's possible to combine these two ideas a little bit.22:35
spevackbecause we are very close to having a single provider of all our swag22:35
spevackit is very easy for us to tell him to combine shirts, stickers, pins, etc. into packets, and then just mail them out to whoever needs them22:35
liknusred_alert: big posters and banner are not always available ;)22:35
spevacksort of an on-demand event box22:35
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liknusspevack: thats wonderfull :)22:36
spevackliknus: posters we still kind of have to figure out... that tends to be very distributed across different countries.22:36
spevackanyway, that's the update on where all of this stuff is, and by the time FUDcon arrives, it should be a reality22:36
wonderer_!22:36
spevackwonderer_: go ahead22:37
wonderer_about the onlineshop. will there be an extra-place like "Fedora swag" or in other words will it be possible to have e.g. aHoodie Shirt besides the T-Shirts, Sweaters and Longarm..?22:38
spevackwonderer_: we can have anything that we want.22:38
spevackwonderer_: probably there will be a meeting about this at FUDCon, where we make final decisions22:39
wonderer_sounds good. I like the idea to have one place, and maybe sometime order a complete Eventbox there ;-)22:39
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spevackwhat else do people want to discuss?22:39
spevackis there anyone who I owe reimbursements to that has not gotten it yet?22:39
wonderer_a FUDCON watch would also be nice... but, go ahead ;-)22:40
liknusFrequent meetings?22:40
spevackliknus: right!22:40
spevackdo people want to meet more than once a month?22:40
liknus!22:40
spevackthis meeting has been pretty quiet... it's a little bit strange.22:40
spevackliknus: just go ahead22:40
hefferwell obviously it seems that his is not needed ;)22:40
red_alertI'd normally vote for more frequent meetings...but right now, there doesn't seem to be a need for this as there's not too many events upcoming22:41
liknusOnce per second week I think is just great..More things are yet to come for EMEA ambassadors and more frequent meeting will help us organise them better22:41
wonderer_i think it depends on whats going on. If all seems to ge going well (as I assume) then once a month for some reports etc. sounds fine to me.22:42
liknusred_alert: Ambassadors are not only for events imho :)22:42
spevackliknus: i think that part of this is my fault.  We need to have more focused discussions.22:42
red_alertliknus: they're not, but events are the thing that need the most organizational stuff and therefore meetings...imho22:42
spevackliknus: i think one meeting where we have an agenda like this, and then two weeks later a meeting about a specific topic, alternating22:42
spevackthat would probably be useful22:43
wonderer_I think if something would be more "important", maybe if something came up at the mailinglists or so then we could have a more frequent meeting. e.g. two weeks befor Linuxtag / Fudcon berlin...22:43
liknusspevack: yeah! themed meetings! sounds nice :)22:43
rislammeeting always helpful22:43
liknusrislam: +1 :)22:43
wonderer_maybe a themed meeting for swag-shop, one for upcoming events or local activitys...22:44
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red_alertone to collect ideas for a FAD? ;)22:44
spevackliknus: ok, i already have a few ideas... wonderer_ sort of just said them.22:44
spevackred_alert: that is one of them :)22:44
spevackok, i will pick one of those, and we'll see if we can have a useful brainstorming session about it in 2 weeks from now22:45
spevackhow does that sound?22:45
* spevack will follow up about it on the list22:45
AndreasR#122:45
AndreasR+122:45
heffer+122:45
liknusnice for starters spevack ! +122:45
spevackok22:45
spevackgood stuff22:45
spevackanything else for tonight?22:45
wonderer_!22:46
spevackjust go ahead :)22:46
* spevack doesn't like the ! and ? rules22:46
spevackand therefore they are ignored in meetings that I run :)22:46
wonderer_just for the record - tomorrow at 1800 there will be www.radiotux.de with our FWN#17422:47
rislam:) spevack22:47
spevackwonderer_: tell us more about this!22:47
spevackthey are reading FWN on radio tux?22:47
spevackFWN = fedora weekly news in case anyone doesn't know22:47
spevackwonderer_: will they play the "advertisement" for Radio Tux that I recorded at Chemnitzer linux tage before hand?  ;)22:47
wonderer_I was asked to do it and translated two of the last ones and lay down some cc-music. They also could be found at http://wonderer.fedorapeople.org22:47
spevackwonderer_: did you mention this on other mailing lists, and I just didn't see it?22:48
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wonderer_I read our fedora weekly news for the show of radiotux, yes. The show is in german, so I first have to translate and poit some mainparts out, yes.22:48
spevackwonderer_: great work.  be sure to mention about fudcon :)22:49
red_alertand he's doing that well :)22:49
wonderer_spevack: I mentioned it on the german ML, yes.22:49
spevackwonderer_: and on radio tux!22:49
wonderer_spevack: I'm also working on a fedora Jingle for later and in special for some FUDCON shows.22:49
wonderer_but!22:49
spevack:)22:50
wonderer_for all who wants to join please tell me ;-) It ist very much work, because the FWN came out on monday late evening (likely) and on thursday they have the show. So there is very short time to do all.22:50
cwickertwonderer_: btw: we are planing something similar for another linux radio station, antenne tux22:51
spevackwonderer_: you need a couple of german speakers to help you, right?22:51
wonderer_translate text, put it in readable version, speack it to the mic, lay down some music AND make it to the same length, etc. Then upload and announce, etc.22:51
* spevack looks at heffer and cwickert :)22:51
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wonderer_cwickert: The FWN they could also use there. two other major distros do the same ;-)22:52
d3vicegreets22:52
d3viceany meeting on?22:52
hefferi'll have a look into it. i have access to a professional radio studio if i get the civil service job at my school22:52
hefferbut only if22:52
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cwickertwonderer_: we are only broadcasting once a month but not every week. so our news will be different22:53
wonderer_spevack: I try to put up some template thingys so that upcoming speakers easily take over the parts and it also should sound from one week to another likely the same parts. So the jingle and music will be next.22:53
Bouskaan other subject, I have just a question to spevack : can we have (french ambassadors) further info about your presence at RMLL ?22:54
wonderer_heffer: sounds good. I also have a so called "Moderator Schein" and done some local radio broadcasts. I also have some Equipment at home. So together I think we have something to work with.22:54
d3viceemea meeting still on?22:54
hefferd3vice, yes22:54
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d3vicebetter late than never22:55
spevackBouska: sure22:55
wonderer_cwickert: for once a month I can provide a mix from 3-4 FWNs also, no prob If I had it once spoken in ;-)22:55
spevackBouska: I'm giving a talk on July 10th22:55
spevackBouska: and that is all I know so far :)22:55
hefferi'm sorry but i got to go now22:55
spevackBouska: we'll have some time for conversations among the French team that is there, etc.22:55
wonderer_at FUDCON there will be some specials from the guys, so we will have there plenty of recordings ;-)22:55
wonderer_heffer: we stay in touch!22:56
heffersure22:56
spevackwonderer_: thanks for all your work on the FWN and radiotux stuff22:56
hefferbye22:56
wonderer_spevack: thanks. It came to me middle of last week so I think we have a good start so far.22:56
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wonderer_eof ;-)22:56
spevackthank you all for coming tonight.22:57
rislamthx spevack22:57
spevackBouska: once I know more about my schedule for RMLL, I'll let you know :)22:57
Bouskaspevack: that's cool, sure there will have of fedora people22:57
wonderer_btw. spevack did some jingle-stuff for linuxtag last year or so. just have the jingle here ;-) pretty nice radiovoice, max ;-)22:57

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