emea-ambassadors-2009-01-14

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quaidthx spevack21:00
spevackthank you quaid 21:00
spevackanyone around for the EMEA ambassadors meeting?21:00
moixsyep21:00
spevackkital, fabian_a, red_alert, ping21:01
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* so_solid_moo is around to watch if that's ok :)21:02
* pingou_laptop arounds21:02
red_alertspevack: pong :) btw, I love the number and frequency of your reminder mails ;)21:02
spevackred_alert: and yet, no one is here :)21:02
pingou_laptopMrTom, ping21:02
red_alertkanarip: ping21:03
moixsBouska: ping21:03
ChitleshGoorahspevack: here21:03
spevackhi chitlesh21:03
spevackwe'll wait until :05 or so to start.21:03
MrTomMrTom is here21:03
spevacklet people trickle in21:03
red_alertrsc_: ping21:03
kitalspevack pong21:04
* delhage is here for the first time21:04
red_alertwonderer1: ping21:04
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spevackalright, now the attendance is picking up21:04
* killefiz is awake21:04
red_alertexcept for kanarip who was shocked by the ping21:04
spevackWell, let's go ahead and get started21:05
spevackPlease state your full name for the attendance records.21:05
spevackMax Spevack21:05
pingou_laptopPierre-Yves Chibon21:05
moixsSteven Moix21:05
MrTomThomas Canniot21:05
killefizSven Lankes21:05
delhageLars Delhage21:05
red_alertSandro Mathys21:05
kitalJoergSimon21:05
spevackok.21:06
rod085Rodrigo Jardim da Fonseca21:06
ChitleshGoorahChitleshGoorah21:06
spevackthank you all for being here tonight.21:06
so_solid_mooAlex Hudson21:06
spevackanyone else?21:06
spevack;)21:06
fozzmooDoran Barton21:06
iarlyyIarly selbir21:06
spevackok, well we will go through the agenda that is on the wiki21:06
spevackhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Meetings/2009-01-1421:06
spevackso feel free to pull that up21:06
BouskaPablo Martin Gomez21:07
spevackfirst of all, I want to welcome everyone to 2009, and I want to thank Fabian Affolter for all the work he did running these meetings for, gosh, probably the last year or more.21:07
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spevackare there any FAMSCo members here other than me?21:07
spevackyes, kital is here21:07
wonderer1I'm here.21:07
kitalkital21:07
kwizartNicolasChauvet21:07
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spevackkital: would you like to give the brief update of what famsco has done since the election, or would you like me to?21:08
* MrTom is from famasco as well21:08
spevackMrTom: you too!  i can't remember my brain is full :P21:08
kitalgo ahead21:08
spevackMrTom: do you want to give the update?  I don't want to do all the talking :)21:08
spevackif you don't want to, i will21:08
wonderer1HenrikHeigl is here21:09
spevackwell, i'll start.  kital or MrTom jump in any time21:09
MrTomgo ahead max, nobody won't do it as well as you would21:09
* sdziallas is here, too (sorry, a bit late)21:09
spevackFAMSCo spent its first meeting of 2009 talking about the most important activities that face ambassadors not just in EMEA, but all over the world.21:10
spevackone of the most important pieces of feedback that we had last year was that we need to continue working on the processes that ambassadors use to do their work.21:10
spevackso as of today, we have a trac instance up for FAMSCo that allows ambassadors to file tickets for the budget requests that they have for their work.,21:11
spevackhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reimbursements21:11
spevackthis wiki page will give you more details, and I encourage all ambassadors to read it.21:11
spevackkital: while I refresh my memory on our other tasks, do you want to give the membership update?  don't you normally do that?21:11
kitalsure21:11
kitalsince 01.Dec200821:12
kitalSponsored: 48 Ambassadors21:12
kitalRejected: 53 Requests21:12
kitalAmbassadors overall:  67621:12
kitalApproval Process Queue: 821:12
... spevack changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: EMEA Ambassadors Meeting -- FAmSCo21:12
kitalAs i have posted the Join Page is updated21:12
kitalhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/Join21:12
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kitalWith the new regional Mentors we guide new Members now all over the world into Ambassadors21:13
spevackright, so the process for joining Ambassadors is much more clear than it used to be.  Something to keep in mind when you are at shows and possibly recruiting new fedora contributors or ambassadors21:13
spevackkital: keep going, sorry to interrupt21:13
kitaleof21:13
spevackOk, very briefly, there are a few other things that FAMSCo is working on.21:13
spevack(1) susmit is taking care of our fedorahosted administrative work.21:13
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spevack(2) We are trying to spread the idea of "Fedora Activity Day"21:14
spevackhave any of you read some of my blog posts or emails about this?21:14
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MrTomyep21:14
MrTom!21:14
spevackhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD21:14
ChitleshGoorahyes21:14
spevackMrTom: go ahead21:14
spevackMrTom: you have a comment?21:14
delhageI thought it stood for Fedora Ambassador Day...21:14
MrTomwe had some ideas about doing a fad soon21:14
spevackdelhage: it used to -- but we are trying to broaden the scope of it to make people who are packagers, or translators, or engineers, feel like they can be involved too21:15
delhageah right21:15
spevackdelhage: so it used to be that it was for Ambassadors to get together and plan their work21:15
MrTomhowever there would have been 2 fads un few months in two close countries (france and belgium)21:15
spevackdelhage: but there's no reason to not apply it to the general case.21:15
delhageagreed21:15
spevackMrTom: I think that is ok.  FOSDEM is kind of a special case, since it is one of the premier events of the year in EMEA21:15
spevack 21:16
spevack 21:16
spevack 21:16
spevack ok21:16
spevackI want to move on to other topics21:16
spevackso to summarize, the two important URLs for people to read are:21:16
MrTomwe were looking for a fad dureing solutions linux at the end of march21:16
spevack 21:16
spevackhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FAD21:16
spevack   and21:16
MrTombut the events are two close from each other21:16
spevackhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Reimbursements21:16
spevackMrTom: Well, LinuxSolutions is a large event, whether you call it a FAD or just LinuxSolutions-- for the french community it is a very big event, so i'm sure it will be a success no matter what!21:17
spevackMrTom: as you know, the budget for you guys to use for that event and other stuff is on its way right now, so you should be pretty much all set, right?21:17
... spevack changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: EMEA Ambassadors meeting -- EVENTS21:17
MrTomno pb yes21:17
spevackok, 21:17
spevackany questions or comments so far?21:17
spevackotherwise, we'21:18
spevacksorry -- otherwise, we will move on to events.21:18
* spevack waits a minute for any questions or comments21:18
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kital!21:18
spevackkital: go ahead21:18
kitalhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/CLT21:18
spevackkital: give us an update, please!21:18
kitalit seems that we have 6 People who want support us21:19
kitalthe call for projects is now over21:20
spevackin my mind, there probably isn't too much work left to do for this event, right?  We have the booth stuff, and I have CDs and tshirts.21:20
kitaland i received a informal "ok" for our [anhören]  application21:20
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kitaleof21:20
kanarip!21:21
spevackwe'll save FOSDEM for the last.21:21
spevackkanarip: go ahead21:21
kanaripis CLT still open for visitors though? it says 4-5 fedora people on the page21:21
kanaripeof21:21
kanarip(i could come, and i'd like to, i have heard so much about it)21:21
spevackkital: ?21:21
kitalclt overs a lot of service for booth personal and speakers21:22
kanaripi can take care of whatever the expenses would be for me as a visitor21:22
kitalso it is limited to a number of people who seems is appropriate21:22
kitalbut it is open for participation for everyone21:22
kanaripcool21:23
kitali have updated the page - i recommend the Mercure Chemnitz as the place you can stay21:23
killefizkital: is there a limit set by the organizers?21:23
kitalthey over a rate for 45 € per night21:23
kitalit is not a hard limit21:23
spevackkital: what is the best way to get there from amsterdam?21:24
kanaripit's a limit of booth personnel and speakers killefiz21:24
spevackkital: you can answer me privately so we don't bother everyone else21:24
spevackAnything else about CLT?21:24
kitalfind a way to leipzig - i will pick you up and bring you back21:24
spevackkital: fair enough :)21:24
spevackok, let's move on21:25
spevackto the grand event of this month.21:25
spevackFOSDEM21:25
spevackhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM/FOSDEM200921:25
spevackI feel like we're pretty well organized21:25
spevackand I thank frederic for his help21:25
spevackare there any questions about fosdem?21:25
spevackthere have been several emails to ambassadors list and also the wiki is quite detailed21:26
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kanarip!21:26
spevackye ssir21:26
kanariphow come fresh new fedora contributors (July 2007) that are only involved with enterprise linux and contribute something to projects that just so happen to be in fedora as well get speaker slots?21:27
kanaripand that it besides bad timing on my part21:27
kanaripand it's only one project they're involved with21:28
pingou_laptop!21:28
pingou_laptopthe quantity justified the quality ?? eof21:28
spevackkanarip: speaker slots were based on the open volunteering and submission process that was on the wiki page for a long time.  But that said -- if you don't have a slot and you would like one, we can see what we can do.  Were you late in getting your submission in?21:28
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spevackpingou_laptop: go ahead.21:29
pingou_laptopdone eof21:29
spevackpeople can just talk, i don't care much for the ! and ? stuff unless 10 people start talking at once :)21:29
* pingou_laptop notices21:29
kanaripspevack, yeah, i'm just amazed that anyone not doing anything with Fedora can get a slot in the Fedora devroom21:29
spevackwell, let me say this.21:29
spevackignoring the CentOS slots -- and next year I believe we need to have our own devroom21:30
spevackbecause we are too big now to share21:30
spevackand that would solve your problem specifically kanarip 21:30
kanarip(that's where they should have been, the CentOS slots)21:30
spevackfrederic is not here, but I will say what I think his intention was:21:30
kanaripi think that'd solve my problem21:30
kanaripi'm not against them taking up a Fedora slot obviously21:31
spevackI think part of the goal of FOSDEM's speaking roster is to try to allow some new faces to have an opportunity to speak, and perhaps establish themselves further.21:31
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kanaripgives me a chance to finally pull them in and make them go the good stuff in the right location21:31
ChitleshGoorahan ubuntu guy speaks on fedora's slot ?21:31
MrTom!21:31
spevackChitleshGoorah: what?21:31
kanaripChitleshGoorah, i didn't say that now did i?21:31
MrTomi'm ok to shorter my slot to free half an hour for kanarip21:31
delhagecould someone explain what this is about for a newcomer?21:31
spevackdelhage: we're talking about the speaking slots at FOSDEM next month.21:32
kanaripMrTom, it's being worked on from another end possibly combining their talk into a bigger talk on a broader subject21:32
ChitleshGoorahgoogle Raphael Pinson21:32
spevackhttp://tinyurl.com/9uak8r21:32
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spevackChitleshGoorah: frederic found Raphael and asked him to speak21:32
kanaripChitleshGoorah, aha!21:32
ChitleshGoorahaha !21:32
delhagespevack: I understand, just what is the commotion about?21:33
delhagethink I got it21:33
spevackdelhage: too many speakers, not enough spots21:34
delhageright, got it21:34
spevackok, let me say a few things here.21:34
spevackFirst of all, kanarip, until 15 seconds ago I didn't know that Raphael was an "ubuntu" guy.  I assumed that we were scheduling Fedora or upstream people in our devroom.  Now maybe this is an upstream talk that is distro agnostic.21:35
spevackthat said.21:35
ChitleshGoorahhe don't even maintain the Augeas fedora package21:35
spevackok, well that's just strange.  I've already sent an email to Frederic to ask him about this.21:35
spevackand we'll try to get to the bottom of it.21:35
spevackif it results in our speaker roster changing, so be it.21:35
spevackworst case, we will shuffle around some things, or cut some talks from 60 mins to 45 mins to carve out enough time for you, kanarip 21:36
spevackfair?21:36
spevackkanarip: my goal will be to get you a 45 minute slot21:36
ChitleshGoorahspevack: you mean -45mins right ? hahhaa21:36
* spevack sighs21:36
red_alertafaik you can't just cut the times because the main timeline is fixed by fosdem21:37
kanaripfair enough21:37
spevackred_alert: well, we'll figure out something.  I plan to make up a bunch of flyers with "our" devroom schedule that we can pass out at our booth21:37
spevackso people will always know what we are doing.21:37
spevackand also because these things tend to always be changing, as we can see tonight :)21:38
pingou_laptopwe can also just put them next to the official planning on the wall here and there21:38
spevackobviously there has been at least one misunderstanding, and we're going to have to do the best we can to sort this out in a way that makes everyone happy.21:38
spevackpingou_laptop: good idea.21:38
kanaripChitleshGoorah, Raphael Pinson actually is upstream for Augeas21:38
spevackkanarip: at one point, didn't you suggest sharing the session with him?21:38
kanaripspevack, yes21:39
kanaripi'm also talking to the Cobbler / Koan guys to combine their talk into a bigger, broader picture21:39
spevackkanarip: ok.21:39
spevackkanarip: but in an ideal world, you'd also like your own slot for something else?21:39
kanaripso there's no worries for me getting a speaker slot or not21:40
kanaripspevack, let's just say there's no need for you to go after a speaker slot for me, you can focus your time and energy elsewhere21:40
spevackkanarip: well, i'll see what i can do anyway21:41
spevackkanarip: let's see how things shake out in the next week, shall we?21:41
spevackkanarip: and my personal apologies if you feel like you were slighted in the fosdem speaking schedule production.21:41
spevackok..... anything else related to FOSDEM?21:41
spevackhttps://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraEvents/FOSDEM/FOSDEM2009#Booth_and_Dev_Room_organization21:42
kanaripno problem21:42
spevackplease look here and see if there is anything on the list of stuff we need that you can bring21:42
spevackand look to see if there is anything we should add to the list.21:42
Bouska!21:42
spevackAlso, I encourage people to read this email:21:42
spevackhttp://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-ambassadors-list/2009-January/msg00040.html21:42
spevackBouska: go ahead21:42
Bouskajust about the booth, we should be 5(minimum) on the stand ?21:43
spevackBouska: well, that was my guess based on what our booth looked like 2 years ago21:44
spevackwe'll have to see how much space we have this year21:44
spevackand determine what makes sense when we get there.21:44
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Bouskaso even if we should be part of the booth, we can participate to some other confs21:45
ChitleshGoorah!21:45
spevackChitleshGoorah: yep21:45
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ChitleshGoorahwe should jot down (if we can) how many contributors are present from other projects, thereby it is easily next year to ask fosdem organizers about a bigger booth and a special fedora only devroom21:46
ChitleshGoorahwith our numbers we are the winner, but it is nice to have statistics before asking them a special devroom next year21:47
ChitleshGooraheof21:47
spevackChitleshGoorah: good idea.  remind us of that in our pre-FOSDDEM booth discussion21:48
spevackok...21:48
spevackI'll skip the FUDCon agenda item and send an update to the mailing list.21:48
spevackis there any thing else that people want to discuss?21:48
... spevack changed the topic of #fedora-meeting to: EMEA Ambassadors -- Open Floor21:49
kitali would ask if we want to change the meeting cycle21:49
killefizsmall note on CLT - the date on the wiki page was stated wrong until a couple of minutes ago - it's not the first weekend of march but the 13th and 14th21:49
spevackkillefiz: i'm sure kital will make sure it is updated correctly21:51
spevackkital: what is your meeting proposal?21:51
kitalwhat people think about 2 meeting a month?21:51
killefizspevack: I have already updated the page - just wanted to make sure noone books a hotel for the wrong weekend21:51
spevackkillefiz: with my luck, i would have showed up a week early and said "where is everyone?"21:52
spevackkital: I am fine with it21:52
spevackany other thoughts?21:52
red_alertare 2 necessary?21:53
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wonderer1I'm good with kitals proposal.21:53
pingou_laptopsame question here21:53
spevackkital: why do you suggest 2?21:53
moixskital: I have a preliminary question about that. Taking into account that local groups in EMEA (the French guys for example) already have a meeting per week, are these meetings really necessary twice a month?21:53
moixsI just don't know what's going on in Germany or so..21:53
red_alertmoixs: except for the french team, there's no other regular local meetings in emea (afaik)21:54
kitalbecause this is the first meeting since a long time21:54
spevackthat is because I forgot the december meeting, and i apologize for that.21:54
kitalwe have not really a meeting "culture" like the other groups21:54
red_alertthis is the first meeting in about 2 months and only took less than 1 hour...and you want to make 2 per month?21:55
kitaland i would like to see that we meet us regularly and chatting around make brainstorming21:55
red_alertthere's always #fedora-ambassadors for that21:55
kitalso you would say there is not enough work to do red_alert?21:56
Bouskamaybe make some special meetings for the big events21:56
pingou_laptop+121:56
moixskital: as far as I'm concerned, it would be a better idea to push "local" meetings per country/language group more regularly. This builds a community.21:56
wonderer1I think if we have more than one meeting per month we can work on more tasks, better working and knowledge transfer and if one meeting was not be done there was no such longe time between 2 meetings.21:56
spevackI think that if as a group, we can craft a compelling agenda for two meetings per month, then people will think "wow, it's worth my time to attend" and they will21:57
moixsthat's also true21:57
delhagemoixs: local meetings only makes sense for big countrys like yours21:57
red_alertkital: there's always enough to do - but work and meetings aren't the same21:57
moixsAs long as you have things to talk about, I'm in21:57
red_alert+121:58
kitalwe must not force something but i love it to have focused people with time for communication21:58
pingou_laptop+121:58
spevackkital: let's you and i work on a possible agenda for a meeting on the 28th.  If there is enough there, we will present the agenda and ask people to come.21:59
spevackif not, then we won't :)21:59
spevackhow does everyone feel about that?21:59
pingou_laptopWould that stay the same day ?21:59
delhagefine by me21:59
* fcrippa is here21:59
red_alertI'm really not against 2 meetings...but as you can see lots of people don't have the time to attend 1 meeting and having 2 meetings might make some more to keep away21:59
wonderer1fne to me 221:59
spevackpingou_laptop: for simplicity, it would have to be same day of the week and same time22:00
pingou_laptopshould be fine except exception :)22:00
kitalred_alert - so this people can participate at least on one of two22:00
spevackok, well, we will see if there is a good agenda for a second meeting per month, and allow the *results* to determine what is the best course of action.22:00
spevackand of course, if someone can't make the meeting, it is ok.22:00
spevackthis is why we have logs and such22:00
pingou_laptop:)22:01
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red_alertok, let's close this one down :)22:01
* kital would only know what people think about that22:01
spevackdoes anyone want to be my hero and volunteer to get this meeting log posted and the wiki page updated? :)22:01
... signoff!#fedora-meeting -> rod085()22:02
kitalmaybe red_alert22:02
spevackok, well that is the end of the meeting.22:02
spevackthank you all for attending!22:02
pingou_laptopgood evening :)22:02
red_alertspevack: don't forget the fudcon mail :)22:03
spevackred_alert: i won't, believe me, it's high on my todo list22:03
red_alertsame here22:04

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